JACKIE: You were taken from your village and trained as a soldier as a young boy. At 10, you were fighting in the Sudanese civil war. What are your memories of those times?
DENG: Disease, hunger and death. They were always around me, and everyone I knew, on a daily basis. For me it was about trying to survive.
JF: In your book you say, “We’re all dead anyway. It was just that some of us didn’t know it yet.” What did you mean?
DA: If you go to war and there are 10 of you, and you come back and there are two; then you go back the next day with another group and it’s the same, you know your time is going to come. Even if you think of going for a walk, you could tread on a mine. So there’s no one day when you sleep properly and say you will live tomorrow. You make a joke about death, you make a joke about being injured [Deng was shot in the back aged 10 and also suffered from cholera, dysentery and malnutrition]. Death is almost the most beautiful part because you’re not going to suffer anymore.
JF: You arrived in Australia aged 14, not speaking English, unable to read or write, and with little schooling. Now you’re a lawyer. How did you achieve that?
DA: I owe it to my brother, John, who made me focus on getting an education. We both graduated from the University of Western Sydney. And I would also read the Bible. It helped me settle my own war. It became a continuous way of learning, discovering myself.
JF: What have you discovered about yourself in Australia?
DA: I owe people. My brother lost his life, but what he did for me … priceless. The people who sponsored us to come here, I owe them. My friends, I owe them all. As I walk around I make a list of all the other people and the great things they have done for me in this country. It is gratitude that will keep me alive because I have to pay them back by all means.
JF: Bridging the two worlds – South Sudan and Australia – how did you do it?
DA: I embrace everything. I even embrace people who are racist, because we are living in a society in Australia, where we have freedom of expression. We try to make sense of what each other are saying… What do I like about Australia? Everything. This is paradise.
JF: Do you think Australians forget that no-one wants to be a refugee and leave their home and move away from everything they know?
DA: Yeah, it would be quite mad for anyone to think that someone would want to be a refugee. You don’t have much choice. When you come here as a refugee, especially as a person who had pride like my brother, John, being rejected is terrible. When he came here, nobody would give him a job, even though he was educated. [John went back to Sudan and was later murdered. Another 17 of Deng’s relatives lost their lives there.] Some refugees want to go home as soon as there is peace in their country. But many who want to stay can’t because they don’t have a job and feel humiliated, undignified. People become depressed because they can’t contribute and are seen as lesser human beings.
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